I have been working my way through the Waveform City podcast archives. I started with the last show, which had a real grumbly tone to it and then the show just vanishes. A few episodes prior, the host had Gary Chang on there. What a treat. One of those episodes with lots of interesting bits. Even timely discussions on interface design approaches. This is important historical information here.
https://soundcloud.com/waveform_city/waveform-city-podcast-episode-35-gary-chang