It’s basically the same idea as bandwidth. Like a filter, a normal distribution doesn’t ever completely go to zero. In the ideal case the possible output values actually go from -infinity to +infinity, but because we are using 32 bit math the width of the distribution is actually limited to 6.66 standard deviations from the mean. If you want to prevent the 0.3% of outliers > 3 standard deviations, you can always use a clamp() to truncate the tails early.
Yeah, the sqrt() expression is going to make the distribution asymptotic in either direction. But we can use this to remake the stored/quantized random voltages of the 266e Buchla Module?
I’m not sure exactly how the stored random voltages work in the Buchla unit. I’m debugging a counter for Mark at the moment, but I’ll check out the docs when I get a chance. The QRST module I posted has similar controls to the Buchla stored randoms. The QRST uses a biased random walk instead of a normal distribution so the value of the next step is influenced by the current step instead of being independent.
Thx, interesting podcast
I had trouble keeping up with the Hordijk stuff that was all laid out by @RudigerMeyer. Here we almost have a perfect introduction to westcoast synthesis, but not through Make Noise. You left us with no instructions and no example patch. This must be an homage to Don Buchla. I hope some smart people around here will wire up and share some patches that make use of the modules you offered in your ‘An Uncertain Future’ bento box.
I didn’t intend to be obscure. Like the original 266e this a source of randomness that you can potentially use to modulate just about anything. With the exception of the audio noise sources, which I included for convenience, all the outputs produce various sorts of random modulation signals. You could use them to modulate an oscillator”s pitch or a filter cutoff or anything else you would like. I’m not sure what you mean when you say:
The modules are fully documented. If there is anything in the module’s documentation that”s unclear let me know and I’ll be glad to elaborate. I didn’t include a separate demo because I thought the clock and waveform displays were enough to demonstrate how each output behaved. I can put together a demo if you fell it would be helpful.
Even though it’s modeled after one of Buchla’s designs, I’m not sure that anything in this particular set of modules could be said to be particularly “west coast” since it’s just a random source and west coast is really more about additive rather than subtractive synthesis,
I added a demo patch to show some of the possible uses for the modulation signals but really they can be used to modulate anything that can be modulated. Think about the type of modulation you want. Slow and smooth or stepped? If you want stepped modulation do you want it quantized or not?
The quantized modulation divides the 0 - 1 range into between 2 and 24 steps and will only produce those specific output levels. Time correlation controls how far apart each output value can be from the last. At none each value is completely independent from every other one, at max each value can only be one step away from the last. The distribution controls the probability that a value will be towards the center (0.5) or edges ( 0 or 1). At flat all values are equally likely, at bell the distribution follows a bell curve with the center at 0.5 so a value is more likely to be near the middle than the edges.
The stored random output isn’t quantized. It can be any value from 0 to 1. When it receives a clock pulse it reads the skew knob and then adds or subtracts a random amount. The size of the random amount is controlled by the degree knob. Larger settings of the knob produce larger random modification ranges. The chaos knob control the distribution of random modifications. When chaos is set to low the random fluctuations around the skew value have a bell shaped distribution and when it is set to sign the distribution is flat (or completely random). Why Buchla chose those particular labels I have no idea, but I thought I would mimic his design since this is a clone of sorts. Hope that helps. Let me know if anything isn’t clear.
Thats a great demo patch.
Well that’s was what I was after. I just meant that in using Maths, for example, there must be some interesting synthesis techniques other than modulating a cutoff. There is all this mystique around Buchla and whatnot so I thought you were about to uncover the the way in, so to speak.
- But if you read what you wrote above it is evident that there are already some complexities.
I wish! I was looking at a 259e “twisted” waveform generator yesterday and was floored to see it cost $1000 for just the one module. A 200e system 7 is almost $30,000. The modules are undoubtedly well made, but the 259e is a pair of digital wavetable oscillators configured so one can modulate the other in a number of ways. Like many of his designs, it’s an interesting idea but it’s hard to see how its worth that kind of money. He has a different point of view for sure. Obviously some people think his stuff is worth the cost but I think you could come pretty close to the same sound with Eurorack modules that cost a whole lot less. I tried a Softube Modular emulation of the 259e, that is built in collaboration with Buchla and presumably runs similar code, and I can’t say I was particularly impressed. I ended up buying a “virtual” set of modules from Mutable Instruments, 4MS and Intellijel instead. Much better value for money even in the virtual world. Softube offers emulations of the 259e and the 296e Spectral processor and like their real world counterparts they are two of the more expensive modules available
The thing about Buchla oscillator modules that makes them special to many is the special character of the waveshaping and the not-quite-sine. $1000 for a 259e sounds like a bargain compared to what they have run in the past – and I think the non-e 259 (which was fully analog and doesn’t have the wavetables) modules that are out there are even more expensive.
If one is enamored of Buchla’s waveshaping algorithms, the modules are really special. If one isn’t then there are probably better ways to spend one’s money.
I am but have to admire them from afar. Buchla’s oscillators take a serious investment in time to get a feel for them. A friend of mine who now has a nice Buchla setup thinks highly of the MakeNoise systems for getting into the same territory. At one time (before he invested in a Buchla), he put together a MakeNoise suitcase along the lines of the Music Easel and has great things to say about it.
I have no doubt that Buchla makes a fine product, and in the final analysis, they”re worth what someone is willing to pay. They seem overpriced to me, but then so does a Rolls-Royce. At the end of the day, no matter how finely it’s crafted, it’s just a car, I think there comes a point of diminishing returns when considering price versus performance, and IMHO, often very expensive products are desired because they are expensive, not because they are inherently better than less expensive alternatives. A digital module is a dsp processor, some DACs and ADCs, op+amps and some code. I honestly don’t see enough difference to justify the difference in price. Still, It”s an individual decision, and I suppose if you’re satisfied with your purchase, I guess it was a good one, I should probably add that I’ve never had the opportunity to demo a Buchla system in person, and living in the great synth wasteland of Kentucky, I’m not likely to, so I’m speaking on general principles rather than from personal knowledge and I’m not trying to be critical of Buchla systems or their owners
I think the Rolls-Royce analogy isn’t really quite applicable.
And, as I tried to make clear in my comment, some people find the unique sound of Buchla oscillators compelling. Others don’t. It isn’t a difference in spec or features. It is a question of whether one feels the sonic characteristics unique to Buchla designs compelling or not. Clearly, the unique thing about Buchla territory is not all that compelling to a lot of people. When I listen to some of the works by Alessandro Cortini or Todd Barton or Charles Cohen there are sonics that I find unique and compelling: crazily electronic yet with an organic character and which no other synth really has. It is a sound that really speaks to me. I’ve spent a fair amount of time with the Arturia Buchla soft-synth is pretty good but it doesn’t quite capture the waveshaping algorithm.
There would be no reason to buy a Buchla if that timbre-space doesn’t attract one. If it just sounds like another synth to someone (which seems to be the case with most people) then there wouldn’t be any reason to spend money on it.
(Btw, I don’t own a Buchla. I wish I could afford one. One of my main interests in Audulus is figuring out how to emulate the characteristics that really draw me to the timbres I find unique to Buchla systems)
After your previous comment, I decided to re-evaluate my earlier opinion. I took another look at the Softube Buchla 259e which should be a fairly accurate reproduction of the hardware version, although I’ll grant you that there are undoubtedly subtle differences in the sound character. It’s probably as close as I’ll get to a real unit since they’re way out of my price range as well. You were right when you stated that there was more depth to the oscillator than would appear from a cursory inspection. After spending more time with the module as well as modulating that which can be modulated in various ways, I was able to coax out some much more intriguing sounds than I had before. Fortunately the Softube version, while expensive relative to some of the other emulated modules, is still way more affordable than any hardware alternative. (at least if you don’t consider the cost of the Mac )
I still believe that his hardware is overpriced given his component costs, but as I said earlier, a fair price is really a matter of opinion. I saw where someone recently paid 3 million for a 59 Strat. I’m sure that reflects its collector’s value rather than any intrinsic quality as an instrument, but still it was obviously worth that to the purchaser.
As fas as better or worse is concerned, I try to avoid making too many value judgments when it comes to sound. Music is such an individual experience, that I think it’s impossible to rank things other than from a purely personal perspective. As you say, “Do you find the sound compelling?” The primary reason that drew me to Audulus was the ability to emulate the classic synths that I’ve admired since they were first introduced but was never able to afford. What keeps me interested is everything I’ve been learning about digital sound and most especially the conversations with this community of fellow users. While I have many local musician friends, none are particularly interested in electronic music, and it’s really nice to have others with similar interests to talk to.
I don’t think the 3 million dollar strat analogy really works here. Again, obviously, if the sound isn’t compelling it isn’t worth spending anything on it. I wouldn’t judge Buchla’s based primarily on initial explorations – their architecture is such that they do take a fair amount of time to learn to tame. I would base it on works created with it by people with experience. That music may not sound different to your ears than music made with other synths. That is totally fair and reasonable. What people find compelling differs.
I had no interest in Buchla synths until fairly recently (an accidental side-effect of seeing @biminiroad’s video stream about westcat – even though a friend of mine, a very talented electronic music composer, had dropped most of the computer music tools that he had been using to focus his work on Buchla. I was so busy when that happened that I didn’t keep up with his music.
Now that I have some more time on my hands, I started listening to the 10+ years of his work that I hadn’t kept up with. There was something really compelling in the sounds. In an online discussion, someone posted this Alessandro Cortini video
Again. All a matter of taste. But there is a sort of organic vibratory quality one can coax out of the various Buchla oscillators that nothing else really has. Very “instrument” like. No wavefolder quite captures some of the unique character that Buchla’s had.
Whether the price was reasonable, component costs are not the most important thing when figuring a fair price. The cost of manufacturing and R&D relative to expected sales play a big part. His synths were by their nature not going to be mass-market hits. So, manufacturing costs were pretty high. The runs were pretty small.
All true. My point with the strat example was only that a “fair” price is subjective. Neat video BTW. The tactile interface is similar in concept to a ROLI Seaboard and much more advanced for its time.
And pretty much every generation of Buchla’s (including the first ones in the 60s) had something along those lines.
Todd Barton has some good videos that demonstrate the ‘Buchlidian Paradigm’ and some great music that is on SoundCloud. Not everyone’s cup of tea, but if you aren’t familiar with his work, you might find it of interest.
I would say that I can get sounds from my used Make Noise LxD (a low pass gate under $100) that come sonically close enough for me to that particular character. In fact, I am finding that the Pulp Logic case I put together does happen to have that threshold crackle character I can hear in the Cortini video.
The other side of it though is that Buchla is an alternative universe in the sense that everything interesting in synthesis has to do with some tool box of limited parameters. Combining the finite tools produces various other universes. When you work your way back through how the modules work and fit together, you work back through vital knowledge about techniques and habits.
I put together a patch but it is still subtractive. I really don’t know how anyone could work in a west coast way with Audulus, because Audulus isn’t limited enough. We would almost need a set of modules and then just agree that you can only use those. This would force the issue.